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10/31 This is pretty cool.

This year Disney released the movie "PLANES", about a crop duster who wants to be a race plane. This is the air version of Cars.

Disney has now announced a 2014 sequel called "Planes: Fire and Rescue". Which is about wildland fires.

Check out the teaser trailer

youtube.com Planes: Fire & Rescue - Official Trailer (2014) [HD] Disney Animation


10/30 Re: Casey's contributions

I am so sorry Mr. Judd is having health problems. I have always admired his perseverance and dedication to the welfare of wildland firefighters. His representation has been to the benefit of all of us, past, present, and future. My best wishes for a speedy recovery.

Joe Hill

10/30 Casey!

Get well soon!

GA Peach

10/30 Re: Furlough and leave

Tree mechanic,

The way I understand it, our government has written laws when dealing with furlough which make it incorrect/impossible to code timesheets with A/L or S/L. It gets really sketchy when dealing with timesheets during a furlough. If you are having trouble ethically with that, just think about all the employees who were sent home for 16 days, but when they came back to work were told to code their timesheets in such a way so they could get paid.


10/30 Stories and pictures are needed now. Ab.

!!!Time is running out!!!!

Sierra Hotshot Superintendent is Retiring!!!

40 years of service on the fire line!!

When: January 19,2014
@ 4:00pm/Dinner 5:00

Where: Clovis Veterans Memorial Hall
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Always Remember these firefighters who died during Santa Ana wind events around this date.

1961 10/30 CA Mike Rushworth Dalton HS on the ANF

1967 10/30 CA Frank Rios -Baliff  on the BDF

1966 11/01 CA Loop -El Cariso Hotshots

1966 11/01 CA Camp Pendleton -military who were fighting fire on the same day

1955 11/06 CA James Catlow LAFD engineer

also a young firefighter who died on an active night-time fire in Kentucky

1991 10/29 KY John Spangler


10/29 This is also an anniversary of the 10/29,1999 day that Dick Blood was murdered in the Anderson CA fairgrounds staging area at the end of the Big Bar Complex. Nice man. Crazy situation. His murderer was brought to justice.

Always Remember Richard Blood


10/29 Today is the anniversary of Steve Rucker's death on the Cedar Fire during the 2003 firestorm.

Always Remember Steve Rucker

In southern California when it seems the season may be over, there are always Santa Ana winds that may blow.

10/29 Hope you get well, Casey! Mellie
10/28 Response to Micki Judd

Thank you for letting us know about Casey's health struggles. I will add him to my prayer list, and I am sure others will as well.

Please let Casey know that we are thinking about him and wishing for his wellness. Also remind him that a good responder protects his own safety so he can save others second. Whatever he needs to do to recover sooner, get better, he needs to do. Even if it is turning off the tv. He isn't defaulting on his calling, but he is taking the steps necessary to "get back to it full strength."

Thanks again for the information, and I will be wishing good for you as well during this event.

Flash in Florida

10/28 Dear Ab and the wonderful wildland firefighting community,

I have hesitated sending this post in knowing that all of you have suffered such a difficult season and you all have been asked countless times for thoughts and prayers for so many that have been lost and injured this season but I hope you can find enough in your heart for another thought & prayer.

My Husband, Casey Judd, president of the FWFSA has now been extremely ill for an entire month. As many of you know in 2009 he underwent stress-related quadruple open heart surgery and was told by his cardiac surgeon to stop carrying the weight of the federal wildland firefighting world on his shoulders and dealing with Congress. Obviously he didn't listen.

After test after test starting with internal bleeding, it is now believed Casey is suffering from stress-related bleeding ulcers. He has no health insurance through the FWFSA so has to rely on his VA coverage which won't "scope" him for another 8 weeks while he's on medication. It has been heart-wrenching to see him unable to spend more than a half an hour in the office maybe every other day. He is visibly upset that he has been unable to personally call new FWFSA members to thank them for their support.

Despite my objections, he watched C-SPAN during the entire Gov't shutdown and I saw him in tears knowing that so many that he deals with in Washington had a hand in causing so much turmoil in the lives of our wildland firefighters and other federal employees.

I do want all FWFSA members to know that he has his cell phone and ipad in bed with him and is in constant contact with the FWFSA's lobbying partners in DC, Sellery Associates. The FWFSA office is "open" and I am helping to process new applications and want to ensure new members that once he's on his feet he will call you.

His devotion, affection, respect and admiration for all of you is contagious. He will not give up on you: he's still doing what he loves and I think doing what he was born to do despite the struggles of achieving success in DC.

So I hope that you will take a moment to offer a prayer and thought for him. For members a reminder: PLEASE if you are a seasonal/temp FF going into a layoff status, please let us know. You can still email Casey at cjudd@fwfsa.org and I'll get the info. Also, as many of you do, if you move during the off-season, please update your address with us.

Thank you,

Micki Judd

Give him a hug from me, Micki. I'll keep good health for him in my thoughts. Please keep us in the loop. Ab.

10/26 Esperanza Anniversary

God Bless the Boys of Engine 57, I think of them often. I pray their families and fellow San Jac/BDF coworkers are blessed with fond memories of them.

Dave Fiorella

10/25 7th Anniversary Esperanza Fire.

Jason McKay's Mom here again. A day early because I'll be at the site tomorrow for the BDF moment of silence. But I'm here today to remind all of you to update your Emergency Cards. This is important for your family. Don't put it off, do it now. Love all of you and please stay safe, talk to you next year.


Thanks Bonnie, my thoughts and prayers will be with you. Always Remember Mark, Jason, Jess, Pablo, and Daniel Ab.

10/25 I'll be out of the office for the weekend at a wedding! Ab.
10/25 Monument on National Forest lands:

If you wish to build a monument on National Forest lands, you would have to obtain some form of authorization from the Forest Supervisor or Regional Forester (aka a permit). It would need to be in writing specifying what is authorized and where etc.


10/25 Tony Bacon and Galen Warren...

“Double Doughnuts and Gatorade”… A story of two National Park Service Structural Fire Icons

There are always those who have walked the fireground before us. What they learned for the first time is now common knowledge. Tools they invented are now as common as a blue sky in the southwestern United States. It was in the National Park Service Southwest (SW) Region, as it was known at the time, where the NPS Structural Fire Training Program began...

More at the link...


10/24 Hi Tree Mechanic.

The reason they cannot code their time sheets with leave is because leave is not authorized or approved during a furlough. Its that simple. You are either furloughed or not.

For someone to do as you call it " the honorable thing", and code there time with leave after being instructed not to is: 1) insubordination based on the direction we all received in writing on how to code our time and/or 2) falsification of your time sheet and/or 3) against the law.

This has nothing to do with honor or getting something for free.


10/24 Guilty Plea in Oregon in 2008 Fatal Copter Crash

An Oregon man has pleaded guilty to fraud in connection with the deadliest helicopter crash involving working firefighters in U.S. history. Levi Phillips, 46, of Grants Pass faces up to 20 years in prison when he is sentenced in April. As part of a plea deal, he agreed to testify against another man, 42-year-old Steven Metheny of Central Point. Phillips was the director of maintenance for Carson Helicopters Inc., reporting directly to Metheny, a former vice president. Prosecutors say that when the U.S. Forest Service solicited bids for helicopters...

(More at the link...)



Are you aware of any formalized standards for establishing a memorial on Forest Service lands?  The family of Lee Collins would like to mark the fatality scene where Mr Collins and Luther Rodarte perished in the Sundance Fire in 1967.  I’m told by Lee Collins’ daughter that Mr Rodarte’s family would appreciate it as well.

Wondering if we can add the 1967 Sundance Fire fatalities, Luther Rodarte and Lee Collins, to the Idaho Memorials roster.

We have marked the origin atop Sundance Mtn and are hoping to mark the fatality scene on the east side of the Selkirks on the Sandpoint RD USFS.

Thanks for any help and or direction.


Pam Aunan

Pam, I added the sign images, etc to the Memorials page under Sundance Mountain ID. Photos of signs at the origin and to the memorial.

There used to be a page of Idaho Memorials on one of the Idaho forest websites. I don't know if it exists anymore on the new FS server; I lost track of it. The FS Heroes Memorial Page for the entire nation has Luther's name on it since he was a FS employee. (Thanks, John Miller.) Luther's name is also on the state of California Wall in Sacramento since he worked primarily on the Los Padres NF, CA but was dispatched to the Sundance, ID to fill a resource need. Their Always Remember page memorializes both names and both men. Dozer operators are critical to wildland firefighting.

Readers, can anyone walk Pam (who is Idaho Dept of Lands) through the process? I'd be happy to share her contact info. Ab.

10/24 I found this article and thought I'd share with you, CB.

Pilot dies in crash while battling NSW bushfire

10/24 An airtanker went down in Australia killing its pilot, David Black.

Hotlist: Brushfires in Australia, 2013

10/24 Not a complete record, but let's remember Dan. Condolences to his family and friends.

Always Remember: 2013 10/17 WA- Dan Hall killed by a falling tree near the fireline of the Springboard Fire

10/23 Furlough and leave

Tree Mechanic,

There's nothing honorable about coding your time to A/L when you are locked out from work. That's what happened to all the federal employees that were willing to work. It makes more sense if it doesn't feel right to you then you should contribute your A/L to one of the many sick or injured employees asking for leave contributions. You state that nothing's free, but yet management wants you employees to work for free or to take credit hours rather than OT. Every hour you do that they get 1/2 hour free from you. I can't count the times they have made me spend the night on a fire in miserable conditions off of the clock. More free time out of your life you're giving to them.


10/23 Pay for Performance plan and rating system:

It’s unfortunate the Forest Service who negotiated a pay for performance plan in 2006 is now backing out. The pay for performance plan included changing from a 2-tier to a 3-tier rating system. If the Forest Service cannot live up to pay for performance that it agreed to, then maybe we need the Union to negotiate again and go back to the two-tier performance rating system (unsuccessful and fully successful).


Letter providing guidance on FY 2013 performance based awards (32 K pdf)

10/23 USFS Firefighter Joshua D. Raborn Passed Away on October 16

Joshua Raborn, Lead Water Tender Operator on the San Bernardino National Forest, Mountaintop Ranger District died in a fatal motorcycle accident on the evening of October 16th in Hesperia.

Joshua proudly served the American public, first as Lance Corporal in the United States Marine Corps and then as a firefighter with United States Forest Service.

Joshua Raborn started his career with the US Forest Service in July of 2008 as a seasonal firefighter with the Big Bear Hotshots. In 2009, he applied and was selected as an apprentice in the Wildland Firefighter Apprenticeship Program. Joshua attended Basic Academy #49, and the Advanced Academy in 2010, completing the apprentice program and converting to permanent full-time in January of 2011. Joshua spent the remainder of his career on the Mountaintop Ranger District as the lead Water Tender Operator at Deerlick Station 12.

Joshua, age 29 is survived by his wife Kristen, and 4 kids, his mother and father.

Please keep Josh and his family, friends, firefighters and his brothers at USFS Deerlick Station 12 in your thoughts and prayers.

Please visit forevermissed.com/ joshua-raborn/ for more photos and information.

Joshua's service will be at 11:00am on November 01, 2013 at Bobbit Memorial Chapel 1299 E Highland Ave San Bernardino, CA 92404. This will be followed by a 1:45pm US Marine Corps Graveside service at Arlington National Cemetery, Riverside CA .

Condolences, what a sad loss. My best to his friends, family and co-workers. The slide show at his forever missed site is awesome. Ab.

10/23 Reply to the 10/16 response to my question about Furlough and Leave:

To clarify what I meant in my earlier post.. if you worked during the furlough, then you will get paid.. so if you had leave scheduled during the furlough why not do the honorable thing and code your A/L as scheduled and any S/L if you were sick or went to the doctor. I personally do not want anything for free ESPECIALLY from the government. Somewhere along the line... somebody has to pay for it ! Nothing is ever just free.

Tree Mechanic.

10/23 Parachuting, interesting article from the LA Times, from GA Peach.

(Ab note: I assume this is in the context of historical info related to smokejumping... Anyone else with history of SJ stories or links?)

When was the first parachute jump? 1797, when Andre Garnerin got dizzy

When was the first parachute jump? Google poses the question with a doodle that spotlights French parachutist Andre-Jacques Garnerin. On Oct. 22, 1797 -- 216 years ago today -- in a Paris exhibition, Garnerin rose to a height of 3,200 feet, then made a dizzying descent to Earth by parachute and took his bows.

Others had parachuted before Garnerin, but he's credited as the first to jump using a parachute without a rigid frame. In the aeronaut's jumps, ... (More at the link)

10/22 Making the rounds

Subject: EIM Update and Briefing Paper

Folks – Attached is an update and briefing paper on Evolving Incident Management. Now that fire season has abated the EIM work groups will be rolling up their sleeves to get moving on identified tasks and recommendations.


Kim A. Christensen
Deputy Assistant Director, Operations
FS Fire and Aviation, NIFC

Evolving Incident Management (EIM) Update (590 K pdf)

Evolving Incident Management Leadership Briefing, Oct 2013 (137 K pdf)

10/22 News Release NRCS Announces Assistance for Catastrophic Fire Recovery (California) (204 K pdf)

NRCS Announces Assistance for Catastrophic Fire Recovery

DAVIS, Calif., Oct. 18, 2013—The USDA Natural Resources Conservation Service (NRCS) today announced that applications will be accepted to assist private landowners in California affected by wildfires in the last 18 months.

Financial assistance for implementing conservation practices may be available through the Environmental Quality Incentives Program (EQIP). Applications for this initiative can be submitted for primary consideration and ranking through Nov. 15, 2013.

"I encourage landowners who have private forestlands and rangelands that were damaged by the recent catastrophic fires to visit with their local NRCS field office about how this initiative can provide assistance to protect their natural resources," said California State Conservationist Carlos Suarez.

The purpose of the Catastrophic Fire Recovery EQIP Initiative is to provide immediate resource protection in areas burned by catastrophic fires in the past 18 months. Priority concerns include immediate soil erosion protection, minimizing noxious and invasive plant proliferation, protecting water quality, fish and wildlife habitat, and bringing back forests and restoring livestock infrastructure necessary for grazing management.

Priority applications will include practices that are implemented within one year and provide immediate erosion protection, adequate livestock water, and habitat protection.

Participants interested in implementing practices beyond the scope of this special and limited initiative are encouraged to apply under the regular EQIP funding opportunities.

NRCS has provided leadership in a partnership effort to help America's private land owners and managers conserve their soil, water and other natural resources since 1935.

10/22 I have heard this morning that the Washington DNR is treating Dan Hall's death as wildland.


10/21 Inmates Death Marks Second Fatality in DNR Prison Work Program

Officials say 47-year-old Daniel J. Hall died Thursday afternoon while working to clear DNR-owned land south of Springdale following a recent timber harvest. Peter Lavallee, communications director for DNR, says several agencies are investigating the fatal incident.

"We're looking into exactly what happened," Lavallee says. "The crew was working on an area where there had been a timber harvest and sale. ... The crew was preparing the land for an eventual replanting." (more at the link above...)

Fair Use Disclaimer

Thanks to WC Advocate for the link. Ab.

10/21 In brief: Airway Heights inmate dies while clearing state property

An Airway Heights prison inmate died Thursday while clearing land for the state Department of Natural Resources.

Daniel J. Hall, 47, had been serving a sentence for drug and auto theft convictions since January 2011, the state Department of Corrections said in a news release. He was due to be released in September 2014.

The minimum-security inmate was clearing debris after a timber harvest in Stevens County, said DNR spokesman Peter Lavallee. The agency hasn’t disclosed what happened to Hall to cause his death.  (a little more at the link above...)

Fair Use Disclaimer

(first article on Oct 17, 2013)

Thanks to Tom J. Ab.

10/20 If anyone has a name and/or details on the Washington Inmate firefighter who died when hit by a snag last Thursday, October 17, 2013, please let us know. Ab.

Hotlist thread: Inmate firefighter died 2 days ago from a falling tree in Northeast Washington


Hotlist thread: Yarnell Hill Report discussion


10/19 Message received from FS HR:

On Oct 1, the ASC/HRM released 28 new vacancy announcements to fill 14 different fire positions ranging in grades GS-06 through GS-12. Any of your outreach notices should be updated to reflect the new vacancy announcement #s. See attached list for positions and vacancy announcement #s.

Applicants can apply now!! Please make sure R5 employees within the fire community are advised of these opportunities!! Vacancy announcements can be located at usajobs.gov

Current permanent Federal employees with competitive status (career or career-conditional status), those with reinstatement eligibility, VEOA, VRA, 30% disabled Veterans, etc. should be encouraged to apply first to the vacancy announcements ending in G, and second to the vacancy announcements ending in DP (which are open to U.S. citizens). This is because certification and referral processes are different.

28 New Vacancy Announcements

Position Title, Series, Grade, Vacancy Announcement #, now open

10/19 Australia is burning:

Hotlist thread: Bushfires in Australia, 2013

10/19 Re Shutdown:


You need to check your info a little closer…

The President didn’t get unlimited spending for 4 months. Unlimited? Seriously? The budget is at the Republican’s low number, including the sequester.

You think disaster relief for Colorado is stuffing some politician’s pocket? How about helping the people who lost everything? You don’t think the federal government should honor its commitment to pay back the states for covering operating expenses of Fed parks during the shutdown? Boy, that is being a good trustworthy partner in a business deal.

You think it is wrong to pay the employees laid off by something totally out of their control, due to some whacky BS going on in DC? Seriously? Including the many employees that worked without paychecks for this time? Wow.

The money for Kentucky was simply money to finish a project. It was already approved in both Houses of Congress. But as I am sure you must know, I takes two approvals from both houses to actually spend money approved by budget or other authority. This was simply the second approval.

I don’t know all the details about the benefits to the widow. If it is a benefit that goes to all widows, that sounds like a contractual commitment, just like the government has to many of us, and we expect them to honor it, no matter the case, or the net worth of the recipient. However, again, I don’t know all the facts in this case, so I will refrain from illogical and uninformed rants.


10/18 From: Office of the Chief [mailto:Office_of_the_Chief.FSNOTES@mci.fs.fed.us]
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 07:49 AM
To: ALL FS <ALL_FS.FSNOTES@mci.fs.fed.us>
Subject: Chief's Message for All Employees

We're Glad You're Back!

After three tumultuous weeks, the vast majority of our workforce-more than 25,000 of you!-have finally returned to your offices and work units today to resume your jobs as stewards of our nation's forests and grasslands.

Thank you for your patience! And to employees who performed excepted work activities during the shutdown: Thank you for your service!

On behalf of the citizens you serve, on behalf of your fellow colleagues, and on my own personal behalf, I am so glad we are all back! This recent furlough represents one of the most perplexing experiences I have witnessed in my 35 years of service. The idea of stopping our work and largely neglecting our mission just goes against our core values, and I fully share your frustration.

The shutdown came at a time when most of us were gearing up for a new fiscal year of work. It took enormous discipline to be able to focus on matters related to the shutdown while the rest of our work was going undone. The hardships created by the shutdown for the personal well-being of our employees were and continue to be enormous.

Despite what you have endured, please know that Americans value your public service. The vast majority of your fellow citizens empathized with you during the work stoppage, as evidenced by unanimous congressional approval of legislation to restore pay for furloughed federal workers. For some, that might be meager comfort, considering the backlog of work we now face or worries about missed payments for tuition, mortgages, and car loans. In this tough economic climate, however, it's reassuring to see such widespread support for public service and for the work we do.

The shutdown reminded the nation that all of us are essential to fulfilling our mission, to providing stewardship for our nation's forests and grasslands, and to furnishing so many critical services that Americans want and need. To be sure, some of our employees were able to continue performing excepted activities allowed by law, despite the lapse of funding; but the shutdown showed that it really takes all of us to fulfill our mission and to meet our responsibilities to the American people.

Now is the time for all of us to get back to work-to show the value of the U.S. Forest Service in caring for the National Forests and Grasslands and to demonstrate the critical role we play in helping to sustain all of our nation's forests.

While there is an urgent need for us to quickly get back to work, a successful start-up must also be a safe start-up. Fortunately, many of our units continued to have our fire and law enforcement personnel on the job throughout the shutdown. Nevertheless, please take a few simple steps as you get back to work:

  1. Take the time to assess your vehicles, your office settings, and your entire work environment to ensure that you are safe to begin work.
  2. Set and follow priorities. We cannot catch up on three weeks of missed work overnight. I know we will be able to make up some of the work we missed, but I also recognize that our accomplishments for the year will be reduced. In the short term, we need to focus on mitigating impacts to communities and helping our contractors get back to work. Please follow the start-up guidance that you will get from your units.
  3. We will be posting on the Intranet and providing through email information related to many of your questions, for example regarding computer password expirations, timesheet reporting, back pay, and so forth. Please be patient! It will take us several days to provide answers to all of your questions.

Once again, thank you for everything you do! And welcome back!

Chief Tidwell


October 17, 2013

To the dedicated and hard-working employees of the United States Government:

Two and a half weeks ago, on the day that much of our Government shut down, I wrote you to express my appreciation for the work you do on behalf of the American people every day, and to convey my commitment to getting you back on the job as quickly as possible.

Today, I am writing to simply say: Welcome back. Thank you for your service.

Whether you have been working without pay, or you were forced to stay home without pay, I know it has been a frustrating and stressful few weeks for you and your families. It should never have happened. You should never have been treated this way. So I hope it comes as some solace that you will be paid in full for what you should have earned since the shutdown began.

I want to remind you, again, that the public service you perform-the role you play in the life of our country-it is important. It matters. You defend our country overseas and deliver the benefits our troops have earned when they come home. You help folks after a storm. You guard our borders and protect our civil rights. You keep our food and our workplaces safe, and protect the air we breathe and the water we drink. You help businesses expand and enter new markets. You push the very boundaries of science and space, and guide hundreds of thousands of people each day through the glory of America's natural wonders.

I know that some of your efforts and hard work have been halted or harmed by the shutdown. But now that the Government is open for business again, let us throw ourselves back into it. We have work to do, and the American people are counting on us to get it right.

Those of us who have the privilege of serving this country may come from different parties, but we are Americans first. Each of us has specific responsibilities we are charged with carrying out on behalf of the American people, and we have an obligation to do it the best we can. I look forward to working with all of you to make sure we meet the high expectations of the citizens we serve.


Barak Obama

10/18 Shut Down


You forgot to add all the little expenses and PORK our representatives threw as soon as they knew the bill was going to be passed and signed last night, that's why it was late being signed. They tossed I believe $400,000,000 to fix the flooded roads in Colorado. A payment to all the states that kept some National Parks open. Legislation to pay all the government workers for their unplanned time off. There was a Congressional leader that died last year (had a net worth of $66,000,000), they felt his wife needed a little help so they gave her a $174,000 for some unknown reason. Then the top 3 leaders including, Mitch McConnell, that turned the vote got $5,000,000,000 to support their states. The president got unlimited no cap spending on the deficit for four months. Those were just a few I could remember. That's why they can afford to pay fire folks what they are worth, they are still too busy stuffing their own pockets and showing little concern for our national debt.


10/17 This is a historical day...

I'm glad the self-imposed and EXTREMELY COSTLY Fiscal Cliff debacle was averted, at least in part, and that the Federal Government Shutdown is over, at least for 90 days. To put it all in firefighter terms, what a self-inflicted CLUSTER  this was, costing 24 BILLIONS OF DOLLARS!

To all our federal government employees who were furloughed or worked without pay and suffered during the shutdown, please accept my apologies on behalf of the American Public. You do good and necessary work. THANK YOU! I know it will take a number of you some time to recover financially. Working without pay or the assurance of basic safety net procedures in the case of injury or death is stressful to say the least.

To our private sector contractor supporters in fire and otherwise, please accept my apologies for the shutdown and threat of a fiscal cliff on behalf of the American Public. None of us realize how widespread and deleterious is the ripple of suffering until the government is shut down as it was.

What else is there to do moving forward from here? Oh yes, check how your congressional representatives voted and if it wasn't to your liking, make a big noise in your communications to them via email, comments on their website or via telephone message. Be involved and get them to work toward a budget NOW. It's time to reassert that we live in a democracy and that democracies can function.

Several surprises for me...



10/16 Furlough:

Tree Mechanic,

Can you explain to me why you would want them to credit A/L or S/L that would have been used during the furlough? If they vote to pay the furloughed employees then they will all get admin leave (66) and will still have their A/L and S/L to use at their choice. It doesn't make sense to me to have them use their leave when they are going to get paid anyway. We have an employee that had his leave scheduled for Oct. 1 through Oct. 14. He went on the planned vacation, but because of the furlough will be credited as admin leave because of the lockout caused by our dysfunctional government.


10/16 State of Alaska Firefighters seek reclassification:

Hello fellow firefighters,

The following article was in the Fairbanks, AK newspaper regarding how State of Alaska wildland firefighters are classified and given benefits in the State system. It was written by one of our firefighters. We have a number of the same issues that our Fed brothers have and are fighting to change things.

newsminer.com: Reclassify wildland firefighters

Please help us by posting a comment in support of our efforts to gain the classification and recognition we all deserve.



10/15 ASC contact for medical emergencies: MESSAGE THREAD

To: Steve (Schlientz),

There have been no catastrophic injuries reported. Our OWCP staff do not normally work 24/7 because employees do not need HRM or OWCP approval for immediate treatment of injuries. Injured employees who need medical attention should seek medical attention as per previous FS-wide letters and our web pages regarding the injury reporting process. Employees should seek medical attention from an ER as they take all insurances which will bill DOL-OWCP.

Lynne is receiving and responding to calls for injuries of excepted employees. She is currently half way through the calls that came in this morning and because it was a long weekend, the inbox on the gov’t cell phone did fill up but has since been cleared. Calls are being addressed in the order they are received.

When an injury occurs, the employee and supervisor complete the CA-1 claim for traumatic injury form in SHIPs, which must be printed and sign by both the employee and supervisor and faxed to our office for processing to DOL-OWCP. The only difference during furlough is that the CA-1 form must be emailed to Lynne Smith.

Once the CA-1 has been processed and submitted to DOL-OWCP, it is currently taking about one week to be assigned a claim number. The employee and/or supervisor will be provided a claim number to provide the medical provider.

CA-16 Authorization for Examination and/or Treatment does not have to be provided at the time of treatment. A CA-16 can be requested and issued to medical provider within 48 hours or the first business day after an injured employee sought medical treatment. Also, a CA-16 may be issued to a medical provider up to seven days from date of injury should employee need to seek treatment later.

I hope this explanation is helpful. Unfortunately, we are limited as to what work can be done during the shutdown. Just hope that we'll be back in business soon!

Director, Human Resources Management
U.S. Forest Service, USDA
Washington Office


To: Larry (Sutton),

Please see the trailing email from HR Director and get the word out to the Fire Directors.

Key Points

  • Our OWCP staff do not normally work 24/7 because employees do not need HRM or OWCP approval for immediate treatment of injuries.
  • When an injury occurs, the employee and supervisor complete the CA-1 claim for traumatic injury form in SHIPs, which must be printed and signed by both the employee and supervisor and faxed to our office for processing to DOL-OWCP. The only difference during furlough is that the CA-1 form must be emailed to Lynne Smith.
  • Attached is April 2010 policy announcing the cessation of OWCP after hours cell phone (57 K pdf)

Thanks, Steve

10/14 Furlough:

Can someone explain to me... If we are keeping track of overtime and hazard pay to be paid retroactively...then why wouldn't you use A/L or S/L
The same way ?

Tree Mechanic.

10/12 Yarnell Discussion on the Hotlist
10/11 Yarnell and 10 Standard Orders:

It's unfortunate that the vaguely defined 10 are called Standard Fire Orders and have been classified by lawyers, and as a result of 30-mile, as Standard Operating Procedures (SOPs), violations of which can then be used to put firefighters in jail. LCES are not so classified and can be more easily discussed.

How do we develop a Just Culture, a Lessons Learned Culture, if experienced and inexperienced firefighterfollowing tragedy must fear they will be jailed for something occurring in a quickly changing and uncertain fire environment or falling snag situation?

People are human with different levels of experience, of  innate "situational awareness" and ability to react in a fire environment. They can't notice, perceive and react quickly enough to avoid death EVERY TIME, even if Communications are completely clear. Remember the wedge of decreasing options over time that's taught in Leadership Classes? Options decline over time and time is of the essence.

Monday morning QB analysis ALWAYS shows that one or more of the ambiguous 10 Fire Orders have been violated. (This is always true if lawyers are trying to find someone to blame.)

We're in a fix. How do we redefine the 10 as Standard Operating Guidelines (SOGs) and not cause for legal suits or placing blame, but guidelines for what wildland firefighters can learn for the future.

The 18 Watchouts are Guidelines, not Procedures.

Why not just rename the 10? 10 Standard Firefighting Guidelines (but qualify that they can still allow individuals and crews to decline an assignment)?


10/11 Yarnell:

After reading the Yarnell report, I too agree with Reality Check. As sad as this event was, I felt the report danced all around the 10 and 18! I understand why they would do this for the firemen, there was no need to assign blame it was a tragedy, but it doesn't help current and future firefighters reading the report, as far as lessons learned goes to avoid the basics.

When, where and why did the 10 an 18 come from and why is so much emphasis placed on them! To try to save lives. Think of your personal close calls on the fireline and why it was a close call. I bet every time it will have something to do with not paying attention to the 10 and 18.


10/10 UI and excepted employment

You are going to get paid for your work along with those that are not working.

There is a question during applying for UI that says “did you work?" ( whether you were paid or not). You will answer yes. That will throw a monkey wrench into the process and things will get balled up.

For those who have filed UI and are on furlough they will have to pay any UI $$$ UI back, if they get a check, that also will be a headache. Is this not fun??


10/10 UI and excepted employment

555 - Per your unemployment question, here is what I was told today when I went to file unemployment. Disclaimer: This is for Michigan only and only based on what I was told at the UIA office. I saw nothing in writing to confirm or deny this.

I was told that when I do the weekly certification saying whether or not I have worked, looked for jobs, etc, that I had to tell them how many days/hours I worked and how much I earned. I was told that it did not matter when I was going to get paid, if I worked and earned money I had to report it. I explained to the unemployment employee about the furlough, back pay, etc and if I had to report the days i was eligible to receive back pay. She said specifically, if I report to work and physically work X number of hours, I had to report those X hours and how much I earned. IF you say you didn't work then they can/will come after you for fraud should they ever find out.

Those that do not report to work and end up getting back pay (assuming the bill passes) do not have to claim those hours/pay amounts on their unemployment. One other thing to remember, all unemployment paid out for days/weeks that one does get back pay for will have to be paid back. So, what this means is that if you are excepted and report to work, you have to report all those hours and will most likely not get any unemployment. A pretty raw deal for those of us that have to keep working and not get paid.

R9 Captain

10/10 Paid leave, etc

Q12. May excepted employees take previously approved paid leave during a furlough caused by a lapse in appropriations--i.e., a "shut-down" or "emergency" furlough? May excepted employees be granted new requests for paid leave during the lapse in appropriations? A. No. When an employee is not at work and performing the duties determined by the employing agency to be allowable activities in compliance with the Antideficiency Act, he or she cannot be in a paid leave status. Therefore, agencies must take one of the following actions:
(1) cancel any approved paid leave during the furlough and/or deny any new requests for paid leave; or
(2) furlough the employee for the period of the employee's absence from duty. An agency may subsequently terminate the furlough whenever the employee's services are required for excepted activities.

In other words (or at least how I am interpreting this with my employees)...Paid leave is not an option while furlough is in effect. That does not mean there can not be excused absences. Each absence is approved or not on a case by case basis. TC 74 is entered for the time absent and in remarks actual hours worked or not worked are entered as well as the reason for absence. When this is all over we will do corrected T&A's. At that time you can enter 61 or 62. Technically, an excused absence during a furlough is furlough (TC 74) and if the absence is unexcused it is AWOL. Remember, management has the ability to tell you when you are excused from work. Even during normal times. They also have the ability to furlough you even though you are part of the fire group. READ #2 above...


10/10 Yarnell

Each time I went back to re- read the Yarnell report I felt like a hound returning to eat its own vomit, the report was non committal, vague, subjective and obviously written to avoid any legal issues that would have arisen… say if the investigation team were to have come up with some real conclusions and solid recommendations. Did the team ever consider that at a minimum the fire orders and eighteen situations were based on the untimely deaths of firefighters, and to disregard those proven engagement protocol in the report might dishonor those firefighters? Did they ever think that the Granite Mountain Hotshots and their families might be honored to have their deaths prevent the deaths of fellow firefighters in the future…. I believe so.. why? Because as firefighters, that is the way we roll! ……Yarnell investigation team. I’m hoping that there will be a second investigation, a real one. In the meantime I’m hoping that each fire module does their own investigation and really learn something from this horrible tragedy, I plan on posting ours on this sight when it is complete, and we aint pulling no punches//./,;l. I for one won’t let these young hero’s or hero’s past die in vain.

Reality Check

10/9 Unemployment

Hello All,

I (as a manager) have people asking me questions about the furlough and I cannot not answer them. Can anyone out there help out with this question?
As an ‘excepted’ employee during this furlough (working but not getting paid), are we entitled to unemployment?


10/9 I don't know anything about this organization, but was sent this link from a friend:

feea.org/programs/ emergency-assistance/ furlough-aid-information

They supposedly might be able to help with emergency loans to Fed employees hit by the furlough.


10/8 Status of the Furlough Compensation Bill 3223:

The House passed HR 3223 (41 K pdf) for back pay by 407-0.


10/8 MJ,

They listened to us in 2008 to the tune of 25 million to bring up our retention rates. We were right and it worked. Feinstein, the rest of the Senate, the House and POTUS all agreed to retention funding. They did this even though on April 1, 2008 the Forest Service said we didn't need it.

They listen, MJ. They listened last year with health benefits for temporary Fed Wildland Firefighters. The examples over the years are there.

We just need to pick our battles correctly and this is the right battle.

So Cal Ridges.

10/8 Remembering Ace Barton

One of the high points of my 45 fire seasons was one afternoon I spent with Ace at his home in Riggens Idaho.

It was July of 1989 and I was a three year FBAN on a fire team that was assigned to a complex of fires in Hells Canyon. The Nezperce forest dispatcher recommended a forest retiree (Ace) as a source of information about fire behavior in the canyon. Our finance section was able to hire him as a consultant for the complex.

He was a very gracious man, showing me through his home with the many mementos and telling the stories from his time growing up on the Sheep Creek Ranch and his career of over 30 years on the old Salmon River Ranger District. Most of that time as the Fire Control Officer.

There were a lot of other fires going in the region and our complex was at the bottom of the priority list because it was in wilderness. We did not have any helicopters assigned and looked like it was going to be awhile before we would get one. One of the most remote of our fires was going unstaffed until we could get a helicopter to shuttle a crew in to it.

Ace was a wealth of knowledge about everything that works and doesn't work fighting fire in Hells Canyon. It had been several days and we were still waiting for a helicopter. I told him about the unstaffed fire and his reply was, "Well, when that burned in '51 we walked the crew in from Riggens and it only took three days".

Tom Jones

Thanks for the memories. Ab.

10/8 iPhone Guy,

Bottomline. There is no leave. If you're sick, you code transaction code 74 in paycheck. Same for AL.


10/7 Ab,

I had the fortune of reading Ace Barton's obituary this afternoon, and I encourage anyone else who has the opportunity to do the same. Though I did not know him, I found his story especially poignant given the current situation in Washington. Mr. Barton served his country and community with bravery and integrity, and without the promise of fame, fortune, campaign donations, or even public recognition.

This is undoubtedly a depressing era for public servants. In recent years, government employees have been a frequent target of the media, the public, and even our own leadership. At a time when many employees have been deemed “non-essential” or have been forced to work with no promise of timely pay, Ace’s story was a pleasant reminder of the impact that exceptional civil servants can have.


Hear, Hear. Ab.

10/7 This cartoon / poster of Smokey Bear came in on 10/4:

Hi Ab, been awhile since you've heard from me. But I thought you might like to share this photo, in light of the current furloughs.

Take care!

Lee Anne
(just a WFF wife)
Canyon Country

Sad statement. Ab.

10/7 66 Q&A about govt shutdown

What do you think about the answer to #63?

63. Would federal employees get paid retroactively, even if they didn't work?

Maybe. Congress granted retroactive pay to furloughed workers after the shutdowns of the mid-1990s, but that wouldn't necessarily happen again. "I believe this time is going to be much different. This is a much different Congress than the 1995 Congress," said Cox, federal employee union president. "I'm not sure that they'd even want to go back and pay the people who worked."

my bold...


10/7 66 questions and answers about the government shutdown


And this from October 1, 2013: iPhone guy, this might answer some of your questions.

FS Questions & Answers on Furlough


10/7 About leave and the shutdown:

Read the OPM 'Guidance For Shutdown furloughs". September 2013 version.

It just came out before this furlough. It explains all about why Annual, Sick, comp, and religious leave are shut off in furloughs.

It sucks, but these are the rules set by OPM and the Govt. The FS is not "threatening" you with the law, just explaining it to you.

I need to take leave myself in the next week, as I'm trying to move. OPM doesn't care about that, either, and I have over 25 years in myself.

As for the FS pushing back, it doesn't work when it's Congress and the POTUS. They don't listen to us.


10/7 Hey

Im a Angeles National Forest, forestry technician employee (Firefighter). Wondering if other permanent and seasonal fire employees are being threatened with personnel action if they take pre authorized A/L (annual Leave), sick leave, or ask to be furloughed to seek outside employment to get a check.

What does "excepted employee" mean? We're not getting paid either (pay stopped OCT. 1st) we just have to come to work and hit the fire line in the peak of Santa Ana season for free with the assumption we will get paid eventually.

I am a dedicated employee to the USFS. I have given this agency everything I got in the last ten years. I would like to see/or hear that upper management is pushing back to the Washington Office, and let them know exactly what is being asked of use.

Hope Govt. comes to a decision sooner than latter.

Sent from my iPhone

10/7 Appears federal shutdown delaying widows ability to start applying for benefits;  it will be more than a week before she can start to apply for benefits due to the shutdown.

kob.com/ article/ stories/ S3182761.shtml? cat=504 (watch the video)

Fundraiser helps family of fallen firefighter when updated on 10/5.

On Saturday night, people in Jemez Springs organized a spaghetti dinner fund-raiser for Hiedi Adams, the widow of fallen firefighter Token Adams, and her family.

They cooked up food for hundreds of people -- who all came together to help the Adams family heal.

Some who came knew Token Adams, the Forest Service firefighter who died on the job in August.

Others knew his line of work.

They donated ten dollars for the dinner.

Some made larger donations. There was also a silent auction and a bake sale, and people brought gifts for the kids.

"My wife and I have been wildland firefighters and a loss like this affects us too and were all part of the same family," attendee Robert Baron.

Proceeds will help Hiedi Adams and her two young children move to Maine to live with relatives.

"It'll help her heal because [here], everywhere she looks she sees him," organizer Sue Anderson said. (more at the link...)

10/7 Ace Barton Memorial

Please post for those who knew AceBarton.

Ace served as FMO on the Salmon River RD of the NPF for many years.  He was Incident Commander of the River Rat Team which was used exclusively for staffing fires in the Snake and Salmon River Breaks on the Nezperce, Payette and Wallowa-Whitman NF's.  He was ahead of time recognizing fire as a natural process rather than an emergency and prescribed burned thousands of acres annually with just a few firefighters.

I have met a few old timers over the years who tell the story of being assigned to fires in the breaks and having Ace ride up the fireline on his mule with a cigar in his mouth.  He would stop to encourage crews, complement their work and ask if there was anything they needed.

He was a humble leader of firefighters, war hero, and served three terms as Mayor after Forest Service retirement.  He did not run for the last term but was a unanimous write-in candidate.

Thanks, Ken S

Ralph (Ace) Barton Tribute

Sierra Hotshot Superintendent is Retiring!!!

40 years of service on the fire line!!

When: January 19, 2014
@ 4:00pm/Dinner 5:00

Where: Clovis Veterans Memorial Hall
Clovis, CA

RSVP: By December 1,2013 to
kenjordanretirement@ yahoo.com
or 559-321-4182 Brian Grossman
$25.00 a person (payable to Brian Grossman)
Send to: 1150 3rd st
Clovis Ca, 93612

Blocks of rooms are set aside at the following hotels in Clovis CA. Make reservations by DEC. 25th to ensure yours:
Homewood Suites 559-292-4004
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*PLEASE Share your stories and pictures by October 31,2013. Send to kenjordanretirement@yahoo.com

Any questions please contact:
Brian Grossman

10/6 Re: Child Support Deductions

This question points to my most recent experience, 27 years as a child support administrator. First and most important for both the payor and receiver of child support: Call the Child Support Officer assigned to your case and explain what is going on. State agencies know about the furloughs and may even have policies to deal with. However they may not automatically know who is affected. The standard legal line is that the NCP is required to meet monthly child support obligation regardless of what the govt does because the child support order requires it. However, your state may have developed some work arounds so it is important to call. If you are to receive child support, you won't receive it until your state does. If there is nothing to take it from, such as a pay check, you won't receive it. License suspension won't result in child support and neither will liens. Again, you ought to call your assigned child support officer too. I am familiar with Washington rules and policies but each state is different.

Smokey 307

10/6 Travel Reimbursement and Govt Shutdown

Don't know how many of us are in this situation, but as one who accepted a fire assignment back in August I now am still waiting for my travel reimbursement, only to find it is stuck in the government shutdown. Got home Sept 6, turned in my "travel information sheet" (the USFS doesn't let us ADs prepare our travel vouchers ourselves) on Sept 9, and was finally told Sept 29 my reimbursement had been delayed because of an "obligation problem" and would be processed after Oct 1 when they would again have access to the government travel system. When your friends and family talk about how the government ought to get rid of all those "non-essential" employees, remind them that many important support positions are, in fact, needed to support the "essential" employees.

Still an AD, but not sure how much longer!

10/5 Photo gallery of Mark Urban's memorial service:

www.kboi2.com/ news/ local/ Mark...226520531.phpl

10/5 Unintended consequences of Federal Government Shutdown

on the Hotlist

10/4 CA - Darin Steffey has died:

I am sorry to report that we lost one of our own last night. Darin Steffey, Senior Firefighter - Engine 45, Descanso RD, was fatally injured off-duty. We understand that Darin was on his way home after work when he was struck by another vehicle while riding his motorcycle along Buckman Springs Road. Please keep Darin in your thoughts and hearts; as well as his family, friends and co-workers. Information regarding his services will be provided when available.

* * *

Carlton Joseph
Forest Fire Chief - Cleveland NF

10/4 Firefighter's Child Support Deductions from the Hotlist:

For any firefighters supporting their children via a payroll deduction, you may want to contact your governing agency.

Since there is no guarantee of being paid at this time, your child support will also not get paid. In many states this could result in a suspension of your drivers license which to some is required for their employment.

Our local agency is working with us on the issue, but if we hadn't contacted them it could have been an unforeseen problem.

I hope this information is helpful.


10/4 CA - Fire Weather 2013 on the Hotlist

SoCal Santa Ana Winds...


From Chief Tom Tidwell:

USDA Forest Service National Closure Order (502 K pdf)


DOI Contingency Plan Fact Sheet

DOI Contingency Plans for Operations in the Absence of Appropriations (~BLM, FWS, NPS, BIA)

10/3 Appreciation for what you do: Thanks Forest Service, BLM, NPS, FWS. BIA firefighters! Ab.

making the rounds...

Message from the President to U.S. Government Employees:

October 1, 2013

To the dedicated and hard-working employees of the United States Government:

The Federal Government is America’s largest employer, with more than 2 million civilian workers and 1.4 million active duty military who serve in all 50 States and around the world.

But Congress has failed to meet its responsibility to pass a budget before the fiscal year that begins today. And that means much of our Government must shut down effective today.

I want you to know that I will keep working to get Congress to reopen the Government, restart vital services that the American people depend on, and allow public servants who have been sent home to return to work. At my direction, your agencies should have reached out to you by now about what a shutdown means for you and your families.

Today, I wanted to take a moment to tell you what you mean to me—and to our country.

That begins by saying thank you for the work you do every day—work that is vitally important to our national security and to American families’ economic security. You defend our country overseas and ensure that our troops receive the benefits they deserve when they come home. You guard our borders and protect our civil rights. You help small businesses expand and gain new footholds in overseas markets. You guide hundreds of thousands of people each day through the glory of America’s national parks and monuments, from Yosemite to the Statue of Liberty. And much more.

You do all this in a political climate that, too often in recent years, has treated you like a punching bag. You have endured three years of a Federal pay freeze, harmful sequester cuts, and now, a shutdown of our Government. And yet, you persevere, continuing to serve the American people with passion, professionalism, and skill.

None of this is fair to you. And should it continue, it will make it more difficult to keep attracting the kind of driven, patriotic, idealistic Americans to public service that our citizens deserve and that our system of self-government demands.

Public service is noble. Public service is important. And by choosing public service, you carry on a proud tradition at the heart of some of this country’s greatest and most lasting achievements. In fact, more than 50 current or former Federal employees have received the Nobel Prize for their efforts. It was grants from the Department of Energy that helped businesses unlock new sources of renewable energy, and from the National Science Foundation that helped entrepreneurs like the founders of Google change the world. It is your efforts that will help this country meet the great challenge of our time—rebuilding an economy where all who work hard can get ahead.

So while the budget fights in Washington are too often partisan, your service to the country must never be. As one of my predecessors, President George H.W. Bush, once said, “There is nothing more fulfilling than to serve your country and your fellow citizens and to do it well. And that is what our system of self-government depends on.”

This shutdown was completely preventable. It should not have happened. And the House of Representatives can end it as soon as it follows the Senate’s lead, and funds your work in the United States Government without trying to attach highly controversial and partisan measures in the process.

Hopefully, we will resolve this quickly. In the meantime, I want you to know—whether you are a young person who just joined public service because you want to make a difference, or a career employee who has dedicated your life to that pursuit—you and your families remain at the front of my mind. Your agency leaders and I will continue to defend your work at a time when that work has rarely been more important. We will continue to work with your agencies to keep you and your families apprised and informed of what is happening. And I will continue to do everything in my power to get the House of Representatives to allow our Government to reopen as quickly as possible, and make sure you receive the pay that you have earned.

Thank you, again, for your service, your sacrifice, and everything you do every day for this country we love so much.


President Obama

10/2 As Senator McCain said, "Elections have consequences". In 2012 the majority of Americans voted to keep the man whose signature accomplishment was signing into law the Affordable Care Act. The signer, the president, won by 5 million votes. Americans decided to keep the majority of Senators who supported it as well.

After a hard and difficult summer where House Members spoke repeatedly about our hard work on behalf of this nation, they throw away our ability to work, like we are trash.

Email moderate Republicans today who don't approve of what their party is doing and ask them to stand with us or go stand with the extreme elements of the Republican party. Tell them hard-working federal and non-federal employees are not working today due to the actions of the House of Representatives. Elections have consequences.

Nevada Sam

10/1 Not just Federal employees.

Across the nation, non-federal employees in the private sector are being laid off as federal contracts come to a halt during this shutdown. The food and souvenir stands next to the Statue of Liberty and other federal sites throughout America. Timber and other forest related contracts throughout the nation. My guess is on my Forest alone, 12 private businesses have had their contracts stopped and laid off employees, including our janitor contractors.

Email The Speaker of the House and tell him how this shutdown is affecting private businesses and hard working Americans everywhere. Demand that he have a vote on a clean, rider-less, CR at current funding levels.

Tell him Tuesday November 4, 2014 will be here soon.


10/1 Republicans are trying to fund the National Park Service and not the Forest Service this evening! Huh, that seems odd? Oh that’s right, they’re Republicans.


10/1 NWS Offices / Websites in light of shutdown & Predicted Santa Ana Wind event late Thurs, 10/3.

Hotlist from Wx_Guy

10/1 Shutdown

DOI Contingency Plan for operations in the absence of FY 2014 Appropriations

10/1 Shutdown

All fire and fuels employees in R5 have been ordered to stay at work, they will not be getting furloughed at this point. However at 1200 hours today we have to watch our friends and non-coworkers leave the building and not return until this is over.

It is my hope that those furloughed employees receive back pay for this is no fault of their own. They should not be punished due to partisan battles in DC that have nothing to do with Forest Service funding levels.


Talking points for supervisors (23 K pdf)

Contingency plan for FS close down procedures (131 K pdf)

Direction for operation of rec, forest mgmt, etc (18 K pdf)

OPM guidance for shutdown furloughs (827 K pdf)

10/1 Our national parks, forests, wildlands, monuments that are shut down:

123rd anniversary of Yosemite National Park from Google (jpg)

10/1 Wow I guess ppl are more worried about other things.... than getting furloughed?

But I know most of state I'm in is getting furloughed and it's the firefighters among the regular government employees that are getting furloughed ... Ohh ya were just " Range Techs"... so guess we are deemed nonessential ... sure would be nice if we had a correct "Job Classification"... after all we train like fire fighters, wear fire gear, drive firetrucks, use fire lingo, and we the wildland fire community, as fire fighters, die in the line of duty ... while fighting wildfires. Sorry about my rant ... just wanted to express my feelings.


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