"THEY SAID IT" ARCHIVES
Home of the Wildland Firefighter
Gone or ???
I've been a fan of They Said for several years. Never sent before, only receive
and enjoy every note.
I'm the Father of Molly (...snipped personal info) ...and a career
wildland fire folk with the USFS.
Us grandparent types left Salem on the 20th to Utah, and returned on the 27th.
Opening the They Said, there were Zero comments from anybody since the 19th! Is
They Said still operating?? Or have the new group thrown in the towel? You all
do a fantastic job...even with the "gone to a fire" down times.
Just curious...and below is my new email address.
SUPPORT CASEY AND FWFSA!
Hi GD -- firefighter dad and proud granddad!
I'm here; the Moderators, GIS specialist, programmers and new Admin are
here; everyone is working on Mapping with ESRI and developing the new web
Not much coming in from posters to theysaid, though. and I've been in and
out of town, helping with a wedding, acting as grandparent and working in
support of wlf.com website changes. It's impossible to post theysaid from an
ipad when I'm out of town.
Federal firefighters have been in the "Use it or lose it mode" as
far as vacation time-off goes after a busy fire season. Some have gotten married
and others are beginning to travel. Some expecting babies have had them and are
now sleep-deprived. The sad news about Mike took all of our breaths away... as
has the continuing Yarnell tragedy report and Yarnell families' struggles.
A posting slowdown has happened to lesser degree every fall as
Thanksgiving and Christmas approaches. Firefighters take time with their
families and relax during this holiday season.
Many of the questions and discussions that have appeared on theysaid
throughout the year (or recurrently year after year) have shown up on the
Hotlist discussion sites: either the Regional IA Hotlist and Fire Discussion
California IA Discussion for example, or the
General Discussion subforum. A number of firefighters have migrated to
self-posting, rather than sending comments to Ab at theysaid.
I'm happy to post whatever questions, alerts, stories, amusements or
discussion that come in.
Robbie Robertson Press Release
Please find attached with this email, a copy of a Press Release that is based
on the passing of Robbie Robertson. Robbie, who was a living legend in fire
prevention, recently passed away. Among his various wishes was a desire to
continue to support one of his pet projects, the National Fire Heritage Center.
The Press Release provides information on a fund that has been established in
Robbie’s name to accomplish that objective.
Ronny J. Coleman, President NFHC
Ronny J. Coleman
8866 Saint Anthony Court
Elk Grove, CA 95624
If anyone wants the press release, email Ab and I'll send it. For a
one-pager it's huge (5000+ K) and I can't save it as anything smaller to provide
a link here.
It basically says
how you donate and here's the
NFHC website. Looks like a
good historical project. Ron Coleman is the CA State Fire Marshal, Retired.
To: Nina Charlson & All re: S. 1628
As I have said countless times on TheySaid, the wildland firefighting community
is an incredibly wonderful, diverse group of men & women who are supported by a
variety of groups/resources at all levels of Government from the federal sector
to the private sector.
Those from these various sectors may not always agree on the role of the other
and often raise issues of inequities found in camps or on the fireline.
Nonetheless, this community is truly special and now needs to stand together and
support each other.
You have all read about the FWFSA's legislation, HR 2858 and now more recently
Sen. Merkley's legislation S. 1628 that would extend Public Safety Officer
Benefits (PSOB) to aviators and private contract firefighters under contract
with specific local, state or federal agencies. It does not extend to those who
use their 20 year old pick up truck with a mounted 2GPM pump and roams the
countryside looking for wildfire assignments!
The FWFSA was contacted by Sen. Merkley's office last year about the bill.
Although the FWFSA works exclusively on behalf of federal wildland firefighters,
we also want to ensure a level playing field for those responding to wildfires.
That said, for those who would benefit from S. 1628 and for Moms like Nina, it
is important to know that the International Association of Fire Fighters (IAFF)
is on record opposing this legislation. With all due respect to the wonderful
rank & file membership of the IAFF, many of whom respond and work side by side
with both contract and federal wildland firefighters, history has shown that the
IAFF takes a dim view of private contractors, volunteers, seasonal and temporary
firefighters. This is because they generally can't be "organized" and thus don't
represent a revenue source for Union dues.
Some may question that but as a former IAFF member who was nearly elected to its
Executive Board in 2003, I am familiar with the internal union politics. It
should also be known to the community that the IAFF does not represent, in any
capacity, any federal wildland firefighter employed by any of the 5 federal land
management agencies. That Right, pursuant to Title 5 United States Code belongs
primarily to the National Federation of Federal Employees (NFFE), and to a
lesser extend the American Federation of Federal Employees (AFGE) and some
It is not my intent to inflame any passions among IAFF members (many of whom,
especially those with Cal-Fire have joined the FWFSA since 2008 to support our
efforts) and non-IAFF members. But for those in this community who support the
Senate bill to extend PSOB benefits and for those who support our legislation to
reform archaic pay & personnel policies for our federal wildland firefighters,
it would be my suggestion to write/call IAFF General President Harold
Schaitberger to ask him about their opposition to the Senate bill and seek the
IAFF's support for HR 2858. It should be noted that the Nevada State Affiliate
VP sat side by side with me at a hearing outside of Las Vegas in 2005 to support
nearly identical federal legislation the FWFSA crafted.
Mr. Schaitberger can be contacted at:
1750 New York Ave, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20006-5395
Additionally, Mr. Schaitberger recently sent a letter to President Obama and a
host of others calling for a national discussion on America's wildfire issues.
The FWFSA certainly supports that idea. Unfortunately, the FWFSA, NWSA, NFFE and
other important organizations involved in wildland firefighting were excluded
from the "CC" list. We can only hope it was an administrative oversight. Thus I
have provided Ab with a copy of the
IAFF's letter as well as a
copy of our response. Again it is not meant to inflame. However after a
deadly, record-breaking season, I think this community needs to have each
Casey Judd, President
One simple solution and bottom line... Those that want to sign the
petition and support S. 1628, DO IT! Those that don't, DON'T. Ab.
Sad news on Mike Kelly's passing:
The CHP has released the accident report.
Link on the bottom of the yubanet article:
Death of Tahoe National Forest Firefighter Mike Kelly
Passing of Walt Darran, airtanker pilot
Just found out that one of the greats of aerial firefighting, CAL FIRE tanker
pilot Walt Darran out of Chico, just passed away. Aside from a love of music and
human-aiding cockpit technology, Walt and I would share our favorite Hunter
Thompson quotes. Walt was dear, good friend for decades, and we prided ourselves
on keeping our thinking outside the box. After all, we had no choice because
that’s the way we were wired!! And it was my honor to have known this man whom I
consider a true visionary.
And I’ll always remember our first meeting in the late 80s. We were talking
about pushing the envelope of what could be done in aerial firefighting. He
stopped and shared one of his mantras: “Remember this, Hugh. If you do what
you’ve always done, you’ll get what you’ve always gotten.” A mentor, a friend, a
brother in arms.
Safe travels, mi amigo.
Emergency Team Solutions
Photos of Walt and friends on the internet.
Thanks for writing in Hugh. I was stunned when I heard. It's hard to
imagine a world without Walt in it. Ab.
I sent this out to the Hotlist Mods yesterday: Walt Darren died Friday
morning, He was such a fine man, CAL FIRE AT pilot and worked with Hemet Valley
Flying Service. I am so sorry that he's gone. What a VERY FINE PERSON! His
articulate safety efforts were excellent and his desire to care for the aviation
families touched my heart. I will truly miss him...
airtanker pilots and friends
Re: Fallen Wildland Firefighter Fair Compensation Act
To: A Wildland
Firefighter Organization in contact with many Wildland Firefighters.
As you mingle with wildland firefighters it is difficult to tell who works
for a government agency or for a private contractor. These Wildland Firefighters
work shoulder to shoulder most often under a government Incident Management
Team. In the unfortunate case when there is a LODD fatality all the honors and
kind words are bestowed on all Wildland Firefighters as Public Safety Officers,
whether employed by the government or a private contractor. The only difference
is in receiving Public Safety Officer Benefits. The Government employees receive
their money benefit in about 2 months after their firefighter's death. Private
Contractor employees are not invited to apply for these benefits. If they do
apply for benefits (which we did) we receive a rejection notice and the right to
appeal. We appealed this past March with no answer to date. Our son was killed
in the Line of Duty in the Iron 44 Incident in August 2008 in Northern
The reason this letter is coming to you is because Oregon Senator Jeff Merkley
has crafted an Act to include Wildland Firefighters who were employed by private
contractors to receive Public Safety Officer benefits in the case of a Line of
Duty Death. These benefits are not a part of the National Budget. They are
administered through the Dept. of Justice.
We learned this week that the National Wildfire Suppression Association (NWSA)
is supportive of the above Act introduced by Oregon Senator Jeff Merkley. This
brings such encouragement to those of us who have been working to promote
interest and support.
My interest in this Act comes because of the death of my son in the Iron 44
incident in 2008. While the past five years have been laced with challenges for
us, one of the things we seek to do is to be a voice for change where needed so
future Fallen Wildland Firefighters will not have to face some of the challenges
we have. There needs to be a change in the current PSOB (Public Safety Officer
The following links can inform you of the opportunities available to support
these Wildland Firefighters. If you want to support our effort, please share
with anyone that you know that might want to assist in this effort. Thank you.
Senate Judiciary Committee Vote to Enact Fallen Wildland Firefighters Fair
Compensation Act S-1628
This is a petition that is being circulated for the Fair Compensation Act. This
could be forwarded to anyone that may be a supporter of this Act
so they can sign it, and hopefully, pass it on. I know this is a slow time of
year but if your crew comes to the shop have the link available so they can
sign the petition if they have not done so.
Whoever is a facebook user should like this page. This is where we will share
updates and ways to help promote this Act.
This link gives contact info for all the U.S. Congressmen. It is important to
contact your Congressmen to express your support of this Act.
A link to the Act and how to track it.
If this Act is adopted it will make a huge difference to the surviving family
members as they cope with very difficult circumstances. No one ever plans on
being that Fallen Firefighter, but that does not stop tragedies from happening.
Thank you for any help you can be in the promotion of this Act.
Mother of Fallen Firefighter Scott Charlson
Sad news: Mike Kelly has died
Death of Tahoe National Forest Firefighter and Tahoe Hotshots Crew Squadboss
Mike Kelly in Camptonville
Wildland Firefighter Cookbook
These wildland firefighter cookbooks are
selling like hotcakes! Thanks to all of you that sent in pictures. And Vicki
just called this morning from Prescott. She said that if you get food poisoning,
don't call the Foundation.
Re BLM phone discussion: Find my friends app
If you cannot talk to your boss
directly about this, then just forward your work cell to your personal cell and
leave the work cell charging somewhere. They will never know. I bet they didn't
even think about this issue.
Have you addressed this concern to your supervisor?
Re BLM phone discussion: Find my friends app
My wife and I use the app to see
where each other is. Commuting almost an hour each way to and from work, she can
time dinner so she doesn't have to wait till I get home to start, and visa
versatile on my days off. When I'm traveling with work or out on a fire
assignment, she can tell where I'm at, when I get back to fire camp, or the
If you have nothing to hide, no worries.
But now with work, that's a different story.
There is an option on the Me tab to hide from followers.
When not at work, just hide from followers, and they can't see where you are
If the phone is a Government issue phone, they do have the right to require
you to carry it while on the clock. Additionally they can add or restrict any
app on the phone. Now if you have a personal cell, and a work cell, leave the
work cell on the desk while not at work. There are no policies, that I know of,
that require anyone to carry a Government issue cell while off duty and not in
Re BLM phone discussion: Find my friends app
Ground to Pound,
I know from experience that sometimes with employers there is a world of
difference between what they "should" be able to tell you to do, and what they
do tell you to do. Even if we all agree it's wrong, until someone fights it, or
gets in trouble over it, it is what it is.
So I would suggest that you keep the wall charger handy, and when you get
home, be such a loyal employee that you want your phone charged in case they
need you. So plug it in and leave it there till you get ready to leave in the
morning. If they complain that you didn't have it with you, you can tell the
truth, it was on the charger. If you are not on call, then they really can't say
anything, and you didn't just defy them outright. (Or if you don't want to let
them track you that far, put it on the charger at work before you leave. Same
excuse will work just fine.)
Hate to play games, but sometimes it is just a matter of not picking a fight
until a bad rule gets changed.
Just my thoughts, Good luck,
Re BLM phone discussion: Find my friends app
More Ground to Pound
When you leave work....... TURN THE PHONE OFF! Hold down the button on the top
of the phone until it shuts down. Should resolve the issue. Once gone from work
and OFF duty, the government has no ownership of you but you still need to
understand you're a government employee, so after duty actions still reflect on
Re BLM phone discussion: Find my friends app
More Ground To Pound,
Good question! I can't speak for all districts or agencies, but when I was
researching the introduction of technology into the wildland fire arena for my
area, one of the features that was looked at was how the (Find my Friends) app
or at the time google latitude could be utilized by the IC during an incident to
get real time of where resources were at. In a way this is similar to some of
the comments that have been shared recently about GM and use of GPS and the
possibility of how that kind of technology could have allowed the IC to see
their location before they left the black. There are also other tools that can
be utilized in either the iphone or ipad platform where DIVS, ENGB or TFLD can
take photos, draw where hose and or fire lines are and sms or email to the IC to
again give real time data. This only works where there is cell coverage, but the
principal of the technology use was geared towards that.
In terms of big brother issues... Being that it is an issued phone and not
for personal use (Although you stated apple owners), if you are not comfortable
having it all the time, I would suggest leaving it at home or somewhere neutral.
There will always be some management individuals that will exploit the
technology so I understand the concern. However, if you are not doing anything
you aren't supposed to or where you shouldn't be, then you are good to go. There
are several USFS, NPS and other vehicles that currently have AVL (Automatic
Vehicle Locaters) which is similar and you may not know it. Something to think
Having said that, one can turn off that feature and on again at will, but
then you run the risk of getting into trouble if you forget to turn it back on.
I have no dog in the Face Book fight, but tend to think that is overreaching
(Personally). Ultimately, there have been many people over the last several
years working hard to integrate this king technology into the workplace for good
and beneficial reasons and fighting the CIO tooth and nail to get it. Please be
careful in the battles you wish to chose so that this privilege and valuable
tool is not taken away.
IC Tech Head
Re BLM phone discussion: Find my friends app
I don’t believe the BLM (or any
other agency) can require you to carry a phone at all times. If you are not “on
call” they have no claim to your time. Slavery is now illegal in the US. I would
say that your employer is way out of line on this one.
The highly coveted and anticipated
Wildland Firefighter Cookbook is now available to purchase! With over 245
recipes from 85 different contributors sent in from around the country over the
last several years, it will make the perfect Christmas present! Only $15 plus
Wildland Firefighter Foundation
BLM phone discussion: Find my friends app
I have a question and would appreciate any feedback from my peers. I won’t
say specifically where, other than I am located in NV, working for BLM.
Recently, many of us have been issued iPhone5s (engine captains, operators,
etc.). Within a few weeks of having them, the zone FMO and AFMO sent us an email
telling us to download the app “Find My Friends”. This was more of an order, not
a voluntary request. I felt I had no choice but to comply and download the app.
For those not familiar with this app, it basically allows you to see anyone’s
location at any time. This includes both on-duty and off-duty hours. We are
required to carry the phones with us at all times. Essentially, my boss can look
and see where I am at, 24 hours a day. To me, this feels extremely invasive,
“big brother”-ish and a violation of my privacy, as I feel it is not
management’s business where I am at, who I am seeing or what I am doing on off
hours, provided that I am fit for work when required.
What do you all think? Has anyone experienced this? My co-workers and I do
not know what to do. This feels like a similar situation to a couple of years
ago when employers were asking for applicants and employees’ passwords to
Facebook and other social media, which was determined to be illegal in several
states as an invasion of privacy. In NV BLM, we do not have a union to represent
us, so most employees feel they have to do what management demands regardless of
whether it is right or wrong.
Anybody have any feedback on how we should proceed with this. I can see this
becoming more of a widespread issue for all of us, as we turn into Apple
“owners” in the Federal Gov’t. I am looking forward to everyone’s thoughts and
insightful feedback. Thank you for your feedback.
More Ground to Pound
Follow up to last post:
To All FWFSA members: In my last post I asked that you let us know if you have
gone into a non-pay (layoff) status as we had an issue with the DOI and USDA pay
systems this pay period.
It is also important to let us know if any of you were furloughed during the
Gov't shutdown or sent into a non-pay/layoff status earlier than expected as a
result of the shutdown. You can either use the contact form on our website at
www.fwfsa.org or email me
directly at email@example.com.
Thanks for your help.
This video is part of the First Lego League challenge for youngsters to come up
with ideas on how to mitigate disasters, they chose wildfires/Rim Fire.
and 6th graders in Virginia offer campfire education, in the form of a video,
check it out and please share. They would like to see stiffer penalties.
To All FWFSA Members:
We were alerted today by our financial institution that both the Dept. of Ag and
Interior have botched the payroll process with respect to identifying our
bi-weekly deposits. While they are confident it can be reconciled in a few days,
I want to ask again that if you are an FWFSA member and are in, or will be going
into a non-pay lay-off status, PLEASE email me at
firstname.lastname@example.org and let me know. Same thing
goes for those who move during the "off-season" in letting us know your new
Thanks in advance.
PS, thanks to all for the kind thoughts and words during my illness. Still no
definitive answers. I've received a few replies to my ROSS question which I also
Has anyone been able to get Casey his requested information?
Its a good thing for all of us to be very responsive to Mr. Judd's requests.
He's looking out for all of us, and you can't say that we have a long line of
other people doing the same, with the exception of NFFE. Unfortunately I can't
help with this one.
It sure would be a good thing if ROSS information and reports were more
readily available for viewing by emergency responders. ROSS exists to support
emergency responders and the incidents they manage.
Hi to all:
I was hoping to solicit some help with some questions about ROSS. If anyone
knows the system like the back of their hand and can answer the following,
please email me at email@example.com. Thanks
so very much.
1. Can a daily report be run during a previous fire day on a specific date for
the following info:
- resources available
- resources assigned
Just finished reading the Yarnell Hill Fire report for the second time and I
agree with the complaints that it is so soft shoed it gives little direct
insight as to what happened and how to keep it from happening again. However the
report does a very good job giving the facts within their time line leading up
to and through the event. Using ones experience and past mistakes that we have
all made in a leadership position, I think we can come up with some important
lessons learned. Everyone with experience can look back at a decision/action on
an incident and realized, WOW if ______ had happened I/we would have been in
I firmly believe in using the 10 orders to evaluate these situations. Orders
1-3 deal with fire behavior situational awareness; orders 4-6 are the safety
mitigations and the level they are imposed are determined using the findings of
the first 3. I don’t believe anyone intentionally violates the 10 orders in
situations or ways where it may compromise safety, so why does this continue to
happen over and over again? I think the answer is we try or do fit what we see
in orders 1-3 into the actions we want to take to be operationally effective as
spelled out in orders 7 – 10, then determine how we approach the safety orders
On the Yarnell Fire everyone knew the drought conditions, the fire activity
grew from mid-morning and TRW was forecast for the area which included outflow
wind warnings. All experienced Firefighters can apply (very easy after the fact)
these FWX conditions with the fuel and terrain in the area and would certainly
consider that conditions for the fire to have a run with extreme rate of spread
with matching intensity is possible. However, how often are we in a position
where the “possible” never materializes? My theory is we all are willing to tamp
down on the “possible worst case” fire behavior when we have an operational
priority, in this case to re-engage the fire, amplified by the high value assets
being impacted, AKA structure protection. A sense that not knowing what the fire
was doing for a short time and brush crash through and area that the topography
was friendly to enhanced fire behavior and detrimental to firefighter escape was
not a problem in their eyes at the time.
It is so hard to sit and watch a situation develop and take no action because
if that “worst case” happens you can’t provide for safety. More often than not
nothing happens and you begin to second guess your original decision. Our urge
to do something, take action, get the job done is often very difficult to put
second after an objective assessment of orders 1-3 and setting safety standards
required by orders 4-6 and not changing what you decided based on what needs to
be done but changes only in reaction to changing conditions.
I am sure that similar actions by other crews occurred many times this fire
season and in the past. Fortunately the “worst case” didn’t happen and no one
likely thought twice about it. A take away from this incident is always assess
what the worst case fire behavior could be, how it could affect the fire and
maintain your safety based on that forecast, and suppress the natural urge to
meet operational needs ahead of providing for safety. Easier said than done? You
can only fight fire aggressively and safely if you have a solid foundation of
knowledge and experience. The more we study and learn the fewer of these
incidents we will have.
Learning from these tragedies is one way to honor those we have lost,
North Bay FC Ret.
For your consideration: Michael I. Smith is
a fine writer and researcher. Mellie
After the Sacrifice: A
Grim and Dismal Business, posted Monday July 8, 2013
While we might argue whether grief comes
before numbness or vice versa, I’m inclined to think that inevitably grief or
numbness will be replaced by collective amnesia. Consequently, I feel compelled
to put down some thoughts in the wake of the Yarnell Hill tragedy and, perhaps
not surprisingly, the touchstone for me is a similar tragedy that occurred three
quarters of a century ago in a Wyoming forest...
More at the link...
Abs & All,
I've been following the Yarnell hotlist thread, lots of good discussion going on
there. Good to see William Riggles is still active, he has a real knack for
identifying critical firefighter safety issues.
The attached proposal is a revised version of a proposal I submitted to the F &
AM Steering Committee a few years ago. It received some modest support at the
time but was never funded as a project. I submitted it again this year, hoping
for a better result this time. We shall see.
I would appreciate hearing what you folks think about the RPD concept and
proposal, and whether it relates to the Yarnell Fire.
Recognition Primed Decision-making Proposal.doc
The WFF Cookbook is within 48 hours of being sent to the printers. During the
final proof, it became clear that there are pictures missing of our wildland
firefighters eating out on the line or in camp. We need pictures of this for the
cookbook! MREs under a tree or in the black, in the chow line, capture the
camaraderie surrounding mealtime for the boots on the ground!
Please send to me right away at
firstname.lastname@example.org. 24 hour deadline.
Wildland Firefighter Foundation
2014 Centralized Fire Hiring - Grades 6 through 10 and Developmental Senior
R5 Fire Hire Correspondence
2014 R5 Fire Hire Timeline -enclosure 1
2014 ORCs for R5 with IFPM (10/19/2013) -enclosure 2
New Senate Bill: S.1628 Fallen Wildland Firefighters Fair Compensation Act
We need your help to get our fellow and fallen wildland firefighters that are
contracted in the air and on the ground the same benefits of those they fight
fire with side by side. When contracted wildland firefighters are killed in the
line of duty, there are no Public Safety Officer's Benefits (PSOB) and the
amount from Worker's Comp is often not enough to cover the costs of burying the
firefighter. In recent years, over 50% of all wildland firefighter fatalities
have been contract aviation related. Federal, state, local agencies do not have
their own fleet of aircraft to fight fires, they are contracted. This means that
the pilots and the crew killed have not qualified and currently do not qualify
for these benefits. Help us change that!
Here are some things we're asking you to do in this time-sensitive period:
Sign the petition for S.1628 at Change.org
2) View the
Fallen Wildland Firefighters Fair Compensation Act and
Contact your Congress Member and ask them to agree and support this bill
4) Spread the word on your social media sites, including Facebook, Twitter,
email contacts, telephone lists, any other source available to you. Copy/Paste
this statement everywhere you please: "Contracted firefighters should get the
same benefits as state, federal, and volunteer firefighters. Please vote to pass
The hardest part of my job is trying to answer the question, "Why isn't my
contracted firefighter's life worth the same as an agency firefighter's life?" I
am asking everyone who has ever even heard of the Wildland Firefighter
Foundation to reach out and let Congress hear with our voices that we need this
done for all those who die in wildland fires.
Collecting Unemployment Insurance:
Hello fire world,
I have a couple of questions regarding unemployment insurance that many seasonal
wildland firefighters seem to collect throughout this time of year.
1.) what are peoples' thoughts on federal wildland firefighters "collecting"
unemployment during the winter months? I have both positive and negative
feelings about it. And
2.) I have been hearing that congress will cut federal unemployment insurance
extensions coming JANUARY 1.
Can someone help me understand what this means to those who "collect" during the
off-season? Will this January 1 deadline mean those will get cut-off from any
income to help them get by until April/May????
Sometimes a "hero" and other times a "bum"
Hotlist thread on Collecting Unemployment Insurance
Paramedic VITAL SITES, Article and Blog
I write for the site ParamedicToRN.org, and recently just published an article
on our site pertaining to the emergency medical industry. You can view it here:
The article is an in depth list of great websites and resources for people in
the emergency medical profession. I did my best to list key key websites in
emergency medicine, EMS sites, and emergency transport. My goal in compiling
such a list was to create a reference for those curious about entering the
emergency medical field, and foster a better understanding of the industry. It
is a fun and informative list!
Hopefully my article will be of great benefit to everyone looking into the
industry as a possible career path. I am really excited about getting the word
out. If you feel like my list of the best Paramedic sites may be useful on your
site page wlf
links page, I would certainly appreciate you adding it as a link. Please let
me know if you have any additional comments or questions.
Nice resource, Erin. Currently we're not adding any new links to the links
page. I'm in the process of updating what we already have. It's a time-consuming
process and the page gets updated about 2 or 3 times a year. Ab.
I am currently living in Tennessee, but will be in Oregon by February. I am
wondering if I get my red card here will it be valid there?
Making the rounds...
Schwarzenegger, cited for work on climate change, named
honorary US Forest Service ranger
YouTube video of Schwarzenegger Honorary Forest Ranger Ceremony (~2 min)
It's pretty funny, we can't get class A uniforms for our firefighters to attend
funerals, or look professional as part of the largest fire department in the US.
However they are giving them out to politicians in DC. Pretty sad.
Sent from my iphone
From another poster.
"The best in the world."
Does anyone have a copy of this article?
FS INFO - Title: W. Phillip Saaranzin
accident, September 3, 1985, Gorda-Rat Fire, Los Padres National Forest, Region
5 / Jack R. Miller, 14 pages. I found the reference to it in
this index, but the pdf does not seem to be available there.
Alternatively, if anyone remembers this incident on the Los Padres NF, could
you please share that. The area burns and it's good to learn whatever lessons
there are from the accidents that occur.
Thanks in advance,
Today, on the 12 year anniversary of my Sawyer ~> Wheelchair
experience, I want to thank all who have supported, helped, sent good thoughts,
and just in general remembered me.
I do appreciate it, very much.
Former 2nd saw, Plumas Hotshots.
Although I did not expect my wife to put my "name up in lights" on TheySaid
recently regarding my current health issues, I want to express my sincerest
gratitude to those who have reached out and offered their thoughts and prayers.
The last 5 weeks have been stressful and frustrating but next week begins
serious "invasive" testing to find out what's going on and take care of it.
In the meantime I want everyone, especially our members to know that while
admittedly I'm a bit behind on the "administrative side" of things in the
office, I remain in constant contact with staff in DC as well as with our
Since all segments of the wildland firefighting community read TheySaid, I
thought it was important to let everyone know that Sen. Merkley of Oregon has
introduced a bill that would extend PSOB benefits to private contract
firefighters and aviation crews. A copy of that bill has been attached to this
Fallen Wildland Firefighters Fair Compensation Act.pdf
Sen. Merkley's staff reached out to me about this late last year. While I
know there is often conflict between federal wildland firefighters and their
contracted colleagues about a variety of topics, the playing field on any given
federal wildfire needs to be leveled. Whether that means all cooperators
receiving the same pay and benefits at the federal pay level, or everyone
getting paid at the highest cooperator level with the same benefits, the current
system does nothing to eliminate the strained relationships that can occur
between the different firefighting segments.
We are working with Sen. Merkley's office and others to not only continue
pushing our federal wildland firefighting bill which has its own Facebook page
thanks to Richard Gold, but to push the classification issue separately since it
would be much easier to accomplish administratively by itself or tuck into a
bill by itself.
Still not as coherent as I should be so I better close. Just wanted to thank
all of you for your thoughts and to let our members know we're still pounding
Much respect & sincerity to all,
Saddleback Learning Review: SJ Luke Sheehy
Saddleback CRP Final Report 31OCT13.pdf
Supporting information for Saddleback CRP 31OCT13.pdf
Excellent Learning Review!
I added the learning review to the
Always Remember Luke Sheehy page. If you want to see all the incidents and
lives lost we've found in the "Falling" trees, snags, logs, rocks, and falling
off cliffs category, on Always Remember, you can choose
Fatalities by Cause: Falling