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  • 05/15/2017
  • Forestry Tech.

After seeing multiple failed pack tests, I find myself wondering why management continues to allow these employees to have a job? Not only are Engine Captains failing pack tests due to lack of physical fitness but AFEOS and Apprentices. Why is managment allowing these individuals the ability to pretend to be leaders, supervisors, and future leaders when they cant even complete step 1 of the conditions of hire?

Our number 1 objective as federal firefighters is firefighter and public safety. If it takes you 3+ times to pass the pack test do you realy think you are capable of providing safety for yourself, your crew and the people around you? Managment needs to step up and take action with these non producing, poor performing employees.

Awhile back someone posted about r5 firehire using illegal hiring practices; and the discussion about a sellers market came up. Northern California consistently has issues filling permanent positions, most blame it on location. I will agree with that to a point….. But maybe someone should look into the module leaders being poor supervisors and creating morale issues.

Any input from current, past BCs and above would be greatly appreciated.

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  1. M@2X4
    May 16, 2017 Reply

    Why? The same exact reason they won’t fire them for being late, lazy and incompetent in their position. Why? The total lack of accountability, which BTW, cannot be purchased at Walmart or ordered on Amazon and is 100% free.

  2. Fire4x4
    May 18, 2017 Reply

    You’ll get more replies if you post this in the hotlist section of this website. “They Said” took a pretty big hit when the new management came in with the selling of the site. It’s too bad… there were some great discussions and real progress being made.

  3. Your name...
    July 9, 2017 Reply

    FYI per the Redbook the limit for permanent employee WCT attempts is 3, and seasonals is 1 with an option for a 2nd test at management discetion. No one should be getting more than 3 attempts in a season.

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