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  • 05/15/2017
  • Forestry Tech.

After seeing multiple failed pack tests, I find myself wondering why management continues to allow these employees to have a job? Not only are Engine Captains failing pack tests due to lack of physical fitness but AFEOS and Apprentices. Why is managment allowing these individuals the ability to pretend to be leaders, supervisors, and future leaders when they cant even complete step 1 of the conditions of hire?

Our number 1 objective as federal firefighters is firefighter and public safety. If it takes you 3+ times to pass the pack test do you realy think you are capable of providing safety for yourself, your crew and the people around you? Managment needs to step up and take action with these non producing, poor performing employees.

Awhile back someone posted about r5 firehire using illegal hiring practices; and the discussion about a sellers market came up. Northern California consistently has issues filling permanent positions, most blame it on location. I will agree with that to a point….. But maybe someone should look into the module leaders being poor supervisors and creating morale issues.

Any input from current, past BCs and above would be greatly appreciated.

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  1. M@2X4
    May 16, 2017 Reply

    Why? The same exact reason they won’t fire them for being late, lazy and incompetent in their position. Why? The total lack of accountability, which BTW, cannot be purchased at Walmart or ordered on Amazon and is 100% free.

  2. Fire4x4
    May 18, 2017 Reply

    You’ll get more replies if you post this in the hotlist section of this website. “They Said” took a pretty big hit when the new management came in with the selling of the site. It’s too bad… there were some great discussions and real progress being made.

  3. Your name...
    July 9, 2017 Reply

    FYI per the Redbook the limit for permanent employee WCT attempts is 3, and seasonals is 1 with an option for a 2nd test at management discetion. No one should be getting more than 3 attempts in a season.

    1. N/A
      August 11, 2017 Reply

      Unless they know they will fail the test and pull the medical card. Ex.) Ankle hurts. Too many know how to work a failed system for too long.

  4. Watchful Eye
    July 29, 2017 Reply

    The pack test from my perspect is molded for the average white male to be successful. It is not a fsir evaluation based solely on the fact that some races of people do not have long legs which forces them to work harder than a person with long legs. It is also bot fair to females who are typically on average not tall or have long legs. Passing a pack test that is very unrealistic from what actually occurs on the line does not make you safe. I have been doing this line of work since 1986 and the reason there are so many fatalities is simply because of poor decision making, lack of experience and the willingness to take unnecessary risk. The EKG test is the way to go in my opinion and maybe we will stop killing people that have to take the unrealistic test that in all honesty should be weight based on physical characteristics perportional to the weight being carried.

  5. lizardbitch
    July 30, 2017 Reply

    The Pack Test was developed by a female…

  6. Your name...
    July 31, 2017 Reply

    Yes lack of accountability. This decade brought in ff’s who believe battalion jobs were “owed”. These guys are not performers as ff and not as nc’s. Talk about cars, tell boring stories from fires they have been on. “Some never leave camp”. Leading of tomorrow? No. It is not working – you are not working-conscientious or willing to find out what your new job duties really entail. You are dragging us down.

  7. Eric
    August 7, 2017 Reply

    The pack test is a joke. If you can’t pass it, you don’t belong in the fire line. Don’t pull the race card on this one “watchful eye.”

    1. Watchful Eye
      October 30, 2017 Reply

      I been around since before the pack test
      How about you ?

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