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  • 08/13/2002
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Tazlina Girl, Nerd on the Fireline and all:

The National Logistics website is www.fs.fed.us/logistics. It has some info, but it’s a new site that will need some more input. Basically, for logistics info and requirements, go to the links for 310-1 and read thru the requirements. Take a good look at what required vs. recommended. My two cents worth is any logistics person should have some line experience and quals just to know the lingo better. But barring that, Basic 32, I-100/200, S-260/261 are great starters. D-110 would’nt hurt either. If an incident is big enough, trying to order up a trainee or someone to work at Base/Camp and Facilities, Ground Support or Ordering to just track paperwork, E and S numbers and provide some continuity is helpful. Especially if it will be a multi team incident. By getting this person in after a few days, their 14 runs into the next team and provides some insight as to what is where, who, and how.

Many local colleges are having fire classes in the winter and spring. As you will see in 310-1, not a lot of requirements. You learn by doing and getting the experience under guidance/mentoring/tutelage. If you have time through the summer, gaining experience can get you AD hired easier. Good dispatchers are a GODSEND! So are good logistics folks who want to make things work well for the line folks. Thats where I think line experience helps (my opinion). If youve ever been tired, filthy, hungry, sleep deprived and need a shower, clean clothes, hot food and place to sleep- and not got it- the lesson will stick and words nefarious spout. We don’t always have the greatest choice of places to start work, but we can work to provide for the folks who come to play.

If there if FS Ranger District/ Sup’s office, National Park/Monument, BLM unit, BIA unit or local vollies, check with them if they can start to get you in the loop. Last Logistics Conference, recruitment was one of the top points as well as training. We could lose something like 25-40% of personnel in logistics due to attrition within the next five years or so. Since I am on a team, I can’t freelance like I used to, but during fire season I get calls all the time for both my trainee and qualed positions.

If our local college gets the classes they are working on for fire, I’ll be in school to take more logistics stuff just so I know more about who does what and how I can make their job and mine better, faster, easier- therefore making the firefighters jobs or camp life easier. Attend the logistics conference this spring in Reno, NV if you can. Good contact point for what you would like to do or think about doing. Let us know what quals and training you have and we’ll try to help. If you want to contact me through the internet, Ab(s) may be able to send my e-mail address to you (federal address). Not being coy- don’t want anyone getting the wrong idea.

From all the other posts, I see that life continues for us with all it high and low points. But it is life that we have.

Some personal notes on the posts and info. For sure, I will be cutting a check to Wildland Firefighters Foundation, and will bug my family to (parents, brother, uncles) to do the same. Past time I did that anyway. Also, FWFSA will get another member and I’ll hit up the same family members to write their congressman/woman and senators. Hell, I’ll even write the letter and they can sign their names and forward them. PSOB should be instituted for anyone assigned to fires- AD, pilots- but should not be a dodge for any contractor to help provide for the welfare of their hiree’s nor a reason for any one of us to not provide for our families. So, in fairness, since I have’nt got a will done yet I believe a chapping (said ‘shapping’) in is order. But the benefits are in place for the family. Just wanna make sure some lawyer or sinister inlaws can’t get their hands on it.

I hope everyone stays safe out there. Keep up the great work Ab(s) and family members. By the way- my daughters colored some pictures and sent them to Dad at camp. Put them on the wall of our work area. The IC came in, saw them, and a great conversation ensued about letters, family and the importance of our loved ones whether it occurs during fire season, times of war, or the times of our greatest happiness or sorrow. Mom sent a letter- just everyday happening’s back at the ranch, so to speak. Just about everyone in the work area who came through asked if they were mine and remarked how great, good, et.al. it was. Maybe this is something that may help with those SO’s out there. Fire Information usually handles mail and has the addresses of camp. Last camp we were able to make two phones available- only had 23 lines to start with- all they had in the sticks to give us. Good news was we did’nt have to limit time very often. Cell service sucked.

Something that help some folks with the new time requirements. If I have to work a 16 hour day on a fire assignment, I get paid for it. I show a 1 1/2 hour break midday and 6 1/2 hours at night. Meets the rules, 2:1 ratio. Basically, I get the feeling that management is trying to provide for safety by using pay regulations. Extremely stupid. Safety needs to be safety- through training, knowledge, skills and attitude. Don’t cut corners, use LCES, the 10 and 18’s. Driving regs (DOT) are great- they pretty well apply to all of us. The IRPG is one of the best tools going. Wacking some seasonal linediggers pay is asinine. Wacking my pay won’t bring you any kudo’s or high fives either- all it does is interfere with a good attitude towards what I am doing. That is not promoting safety.
Guess I oughta get off my soapbox.

I do feel that we need to get Title 5 squared with what the IIBMH is saying. Portal to Portal is a good start for all of us.


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