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  • 01/15/2015
  • DisgruntledFed

What happened to they said? I remember a time when real firefighters posted real problems and solutions. Will it ever come back?… RIP

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  1. January 15, 2015 Reply

    I believe there has been a loss of interest to TheySaid. As people post about trending happenings, i’d say 99% of it is approved for posting. Because there are very little to no posts happening… it’s caused for things to slow down.

    It may also have to do with the way we accept TheySaid posts too… everything is done through the portal on the right, instead of emailing AB now.

  2. patrol57
    January 15, 2015 Reply

    I check They said Everyday and Have since 1999. Unless I was spiked. Maybe the younger grunts have another way to stay in tune with the world of fire. I will say It was a great site till a year or so ago. I guess I just miss Yactak, Mellie and all the other contributers that made it worth checking. Heck even Casey doesn’t post much anymore. Anybody still slaying the dragon stay safe

  3. Tom Patterson
    January 16, 2015 Reply

    I miss the way Mellie would start a topic by asking a question and answering as Ab.

    1. SOFR Bear
      February 1, 2015 Reply

      Same here Tom.

      BTW, you probably don’t remember, but thats for the pizza and beverages on your rx burn back in ’93 on the Joshua.. We, the crew from the ‘type 3′ initial attack van from Saguaro Nat Park appreciated the hospitality your crew provided us//

    2. stringtown
      March 19, 2015 Reply

      Ditto, Tom…

  4. Shannan@NationalFire
    January 16, 2015 Reply

    To me, the old format was much more appealing. At a quick glance, you could read every post in its entirety, and you didn’t have to click to read more or to read responses. The flow was great. Now, I’m really not sure what the difference is between TheySaid and the HotList.

  5. jason lam
    January 16, 2015 Reply

    ever since they switched the they said format I pretty much stopped checking. Im sure lots of people are in the same situation. I think the new format killed they said. RIP

  6. Old Guy
    January 16, 2015 Reply

    I too miss the old format. Todays ‘they said’ is far less appealing and almost forgotten. Certainly less usable than in times past.

  7. Ben
    January 17, 2015 Reply

    I think the new format is better in some ways and just as bad in some others. The way the old format was set up, it was difficult to follow a single thread that went over several days or weeks. Since all posts were posted in order, any new comment was first, regardless of subject matter. This new format fixes that issue, but there is no way to know whether there are any new comments/posts on any of the older ones. You have to go through each on individually to see if there has been a new comment. It makes it difficult go see what has been posted since your last visit. I have seen some forums that you are able to see what is new since your last visit, but you have to have an account and log in each time.

  8. DisgurntaledFed
    January 19, 2015 Reply

    Thank You All, for you replies.
    I believe not having the old Ab’s is a huge part of the lack of posts. It would be a shame if this tool falls completely to the wayside. ( I do miss the old days.)
    I hope everyone has a SAFE spring and summer, I also believe this fire season is lining up to be very busy. I wish you all the best, and maybe one day the glory of They-Said will come back, until then I will continue to do my best and to help out when possible.
    I would also like to take a second; to thank Casey and the rest of the staff at FWFSA, I remain a committed member and will continue to be grateful for the impossible fight they wage on our behalf.
    Best of luck, DJP

    PS: For some reason I can not open post replies on my IPhone; Maybe Admins can try and figure this out.

  9. mb7
    January 20, 2015 Reply

    TheySaid has died…

    Would be nice to resurrect the old one


  10. Onelick
    January 20, 2015 Reply

    I also am disappointed in the new website. I have been contributing on this site since the beginning when BCDavis, SoCalCapt (Lobotomy), Sting, MOC4445, Pulaski, GroundPig, and that guy I can’t remember his moniker who started the discussion about the squeak trees, all were on TheySaid having meaningful discussions without getting personal. It was a good time that with the new owners, I think has passed.
    Parts of the new site are useless, like the links page. Try to find the EACC page. Most of the links are very outdated or broken. Nothing is updated. Mellie used to do this every year about this time. Thanks Mellie for all the behind the scenes work you did. It is/was appreciated by ALL of us.

    Sad to see this site deteriorate,

  11. diggerP
    January 20, 2015 Reply

    As others have stated I believe its this new format. I use to be a daily looker and sometimes submitter on here. Now its so unappealing.
    Oh well maybe I will get use to it but doubt it.. It has lost all of its flair..
    Good luck They Said.. you are missed

  12. AZfirefighter
    January 20, 2015 Reply

    I agree with Shannon@nationalfire… I like the older format where you could read everything. This new layout splitting all the topics/comments is more difficult to read and slower. Ill admit I don’t come onto They Said nearly as much anymore because of it.

  13. M@2X4
    January 21, 2015 Reply

    Anybody that posted anything with opinion or hit a nerve with Management, stopped doing so, or did Management finally make a deal with this site. I was actually at a BOD meeting years ago when the director of R-5 made everybody promise they would not post what he was saying on “they said”. This site lost all credibility after the updating.

    1. ARCH
      February 9, 2015 Reply

      You might be right.. the PC crap has taken root in a lot of the posts. Example; (I have a lot here’s one) For me (and many others) complaining about lousy caterer’s has always been a item, especially since we firefighters in camp are PAYING for food supplied (if not supplied we receive payment). Now we are told that you can only mention caterer’s if the food is good! What the hell is that about?

  14. They Read
    January 21, 2015 Reply

    Miss old format beyond words. Miss the ab’s connected to us and the cause. We controlled the national conversation. Now we watch Regional and National managers control the conversation. End result; ASC all functions still lack of any measurable improvement, a hiring process that is not only not working for module leaders but not working for applicants either. An application portal and HR ASC group that cant ensure your application wont get lost. Yes, and much more. A number of high level Forest Service fire managers and Line Officers are pleased they said hit an all time low. Why? Because They Read! By my count the Forest Service stood up at least 4 sensing groups to work on issues based on topics promoted within they said. This is uncharted waters as it relates to our ability to come together for a cause(s).

  15. Contract County Guy
    January 21, 2015 Reply

    The new format killed it. Bring the old format back and it may live again!

  16. Onelick
    January 22, 2015 Reply

    7 days without any response from the new owners…..

  17. jason lam
    January 22, 2015 Reply

    this has been the most exciting tread in a long time

  18. TJH
    January 23, 2015 Reply

    Theysaid and this forum was a major source of info and was a big part of my decision to begin a career in fire nearly12 years ago now. Hopefully, they can get things back on track as things are now nearly as good as they used to be back in the day here.

  19. ST
    January 26, 2015 Reply

    Never should have changed the old website. Pretty much never come to the site anymore. Seems the “abs” are more concerned about their company and a paycheck. This site is so lame now.

  20. Carl91
    January 26, 2015 Reply

    I am a pretty new person to the website. I was around briefly when it was the old layout, and now that it’s the new one.

    The old one I am sure worked great in 2004 when it was created for what it was but now that it is 2015 there is a lot more features that have been brought to the page that I know have been used a LOT more than older features. It’s sad to see people bitching about the page where they would go to bitch isn’t “how it used to look”. This is much easier to read, and easier to navigate.

    Also, they do care about the users because every time I have emailed in about a faulty link, or missing content they have always responded back in a very fast manner to make sure it was addressed.

    Thanks for the new layout, it does much more than the older site did. Great job guys!

  21. krs
    January 26, 2015 Reply

    New shiny features do no good if the majority of the users do not care to use them. Glitter and flash isn’t always better. Sometimes simple, basic sounding boards for discussion is more efficient and fosters better dialogue. If I wanted a Facebook style group, I would sign up for Facebook.

  22. Will
    January 27, 2015 Reply

    Its hard to teach old dogs new tricks! Most blog sites and page use a similar format. Being retire fire from the Forest Service and now an iPad app developer I can appreciate the modernization of Wildlandfire.com.

  23. coffee
    January 28, 2015 Reply

    IMO – this section of the website shouldn’t even exist, except for big news, or people writing editorial style blog posts. This type of chatter discussion is better suited to a forum. It should just be a forum like the Hotlist, and “Theysaid” should be a subforum located at the top of the page and all of the IA, regional large fire discussion should be pushed down the page.

    It is very simple to create an anonymous email account and user ID in a few minutes.

    It is also much easier to search for old information and follow discussions in a forum format. Going back to find a post on the old TheySaid layout was an exercise in frustration if it was more than a few weeks old.

    I think this site is still a pretty good source of information, but most of the discussion is happening in the Hotlist forums. It’s easy to sit on the sidelines and wait for someone else to post content or start a discussion.

    1. stringtown
      March 19, 2015 Reply

      you clearly have no idea what the original intent of TS was, and the history behind it or the site. just saying. stick to hotlist forums because there is nothing for you here.

  24. smokey92070
    January 29, 2015 Reply

    This section (They said) is dead as stated above. I used to come here every day for a dose of whine. Now once in a blue moon and no good whine.

  25. COMT
    January 29, 2015 Reply

    The site used to be good to see what the latest gripe/concern was about. I think the glow from the flame background used to cause heartburn among managers as it gave the workers a place to voice problems.

    Found a news article that puts Upper Management in a very bad light and came here to see other opinions and found nothing.


    Still remember the smoke jumper post about how to get hired that ruffled feathers up high and got They Said banned by the FS, Great Stuff! Being politically correct is destroying the Agencies and Country.

    1. January 29, 2015 Reply

      You may want to make a new thread for that post to hear some feedback. If you need help, let me know!


  26. Raven
    January 29, 2015 Reply

    Having been a long-time member of this community, I can only say that “TheySaid” is only as-good-as the community that feeds it. I don’t mind the changes to the webpage. I think it probably had to be done because the old WLF interface looked as though it was created in the 1980’s. The only people to blame about TheySaid is ourselves. Want more posts? Well post more. Get some good discussions going, I dare you.

    1. January 29, 2015 Reply

      Dare accepted!

  27. Dan
    February 2, 2015 Reply

    I hardly ever check TheySaid anymore. The new format is much more annoying to read, I liked having everything laid out. If I want threaded discussions, the hotlist is there (which I still read frequently). Make it easier to see and read everything and I will come back and read it all more often. I think the new format has made it harder to have the kind of discussions that used to take place here. TheySaid was never exactly a blog or a forum, but something a little bit different, which is one of the reasons I liked it.

  28. Mark
    March 15, 2015 Reply

    It’s not just they said that is gone, so is the energy. We made shit happen. TheySaid is a disaster and the people who make the rules and decisions in Vallejo, Sacramento, Boise and D.C. are pleased. Very pleased. Trust me they have told me so.

    We changed decisions regularly. We made a difference. FWFSA expanded. Now every time I try and post something new, it never shows up.

    1. March 16, 2015 Reply

      >Now every time I try and post something new, it never shows up.

      It appears that your post has showed up, and as did your comment 7 days ago under the ‘retention’ thread.

      I think that had to do with how WLF received comments. Before it used to have to be ‘moderated’ to make sure it wasn’t spam. This would happen about once a day that comments were approved. I worked with the owners and staff to have it automatically approved and posted so that conversations were in real time and only have to moderate a comment if certain things happened in a comment like posting too many URLS, excessive language, sexism, or racism.

      Since the change in the immediate approval, there has been much more commenting coming through, but NO ONE is posting anything about issues they have. For that reason, there is no content. So either everyone is incredibly satisfied with their jobs, or no one is posting. There is NO censorship that comes from ANY agency. The issue is with zero people posting content.

  29. stringtown
    March 19, 2015 Reply

    I agree…the new format is unappealing. Maybe we could at least get the flames back?? I know that it took a lot work every single day to monitor TS and keep it going, and the new format relieve some of that daily busy work. Still… I miss the Abs- it’s not the same without them. Mellie did more than any of us will ever realize, and had a way of instigating conversation. I think maybe a lot of people are afraid to speak up without her reassurance and safekeeping. As others have said, if people want to see it keep going then people have to speak up and contribute. TS is entirely different than the hotlist though, and serves a completely different purpose. I hope people continue to use it.

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